Why Dwarkesh is Wrong about Computer Use + How OpenAI shipped its Jev competitor in 1 Week
https://www.latent.space/p/devday-2026📌 OpenAI DevDay 幕後:Computer Use 為何「180 度大逆轉」
TL;DR:OpenAI 近期在 DevDay 揭露 Computer Use 與 Decisions API 進展,agent 開發者必讀。
三個月前,以 RL 內容著稱的 Dwarkesh 為自己談 RLVR 的影片下了一個框架性問題,結果惹惱了一票 Computer Use 從業者。Latent Space 團隊曾在 Anthropic 發表 Computer Use 時在場,做過 Claude Cowork 的首個深度訪談,也籌辦過 AI Engineer 大會第一個 Computer Use 專場,並近距離觀察了讓 Codex 如今稱霸 Computer Use 的 OpenAI 併購 Sky Software 一事。基於這段淵源,他們找來 Sky 共同創辦人、現主導 OpenAI Computer Use 全線工作的 Ari Weinstein,以及 OpenAI API 團隊的 Nikunj Handa,在 DevDay 剛結束後錄下這集對談。
🤔 為什麼 Dwarkesh 的框架讓 Computer Use 圈子不滿
爭議的核心在於,外界常把 Computer Use 的進展速度低估為「還在早期」,但實際參與其中的人看到的是完全不同的畫面。這也是 Ari Weinstein 在訪談一開頭就強調 Computer Use「和幾個月前相比是 180 度的轉變」的原因。
🧩 DevDay 一口氣發布了什麼
根據 Ari Weinstein 的整理,這次 DevDay 的 Computer Use 相關發布包括:
- Dots:全新個人助理產品,每個 Dot 都配有自己的雲端 Linux 虛擬電腦,能執行完整桌面應用程式,也能使用瀏覽器,這和過去「僅能在雲端瀏覽器裡操作」或「操作使用者自己電腦」的模式不同。
- GPT-6.1 Sol:針對 Computer Use 最佳化的新模型,成本是 Astra 的五分之一,若單看 Computer Use 場景更只要七分之一的成本。
- Agents API 正式納入 Computer Use,讓開發者能用上與 Codex、ChatGPT 相同的底層能力。
- App Shots:能把使用者正在操作的應用程式上下文,快速帶入 Codex 或 ChatGPT。
- 原生 Mac 上的 Computer Use:可以自動擷取應用程式畫面,同時使用者仍能操作電腦上的其他工作。
- Decisions API:這次訪談著墨甚深的新 API。
💡 Decisions API:目前只是「Luna 的包裝」,但團隊不諱言
Ari Weinstein 坦言,Decisions API 目前「只是 Luna 的一層包裝」,但團隊認為只要是好的設計模式,複製別人家的做法並不丟人。Decisions API 的特點是支援平行推論(inference in parallel)、不具備 reasoning、模型規模比 Computer Use 所用的模型小,因此速度極快,但也因此較不擅長處理長時程、複雜度高的任務。Ari 直言這兩種能力如何結合仍是「open area of research」。OpenAI 內部已經用 Decisions API 做客服分類與內部工作流程。
Nikunj Handa 則補充了整個開發者技術棧的其他拼圖:async 工具呼叫讓模型在工具執行期間不必中斷推理、mid-turn steering 與 WebSockets 架構讓 agent 回應更即時、UltraFast 推論把延遲再往下壓、更長的 prompt caching 與 cache pre-warming、以及伺服器端 compaction 相對於開發者手動管理長時程 agent 對話串的取捨。
兩人也談到 Computer Use 的能力演進路徑:結合螢幕截圖、accessibility tree、DOM、Playwright 與產生出的程式碼,讓模型在操作軟體時不只是「看畫面」,還能拿到更豐富的語境,進而讓 Computer Use 具備自我除錯與失敗後恢復的能力,部分任務的完成速度已經超過一般人類,團隊的目標是朝「超人類等級」的軟體操作能力前進。
🎯 實務啟示
對正在用 Agents API 或 Computer Use 建構產品的工程師而言,這集對談點出了幾個值得關注的方向:Decisions API 適合低延遲、結構化判斷的場景(如分類),但長時程複雜任務仍應交給完整的 Computer Use 推論模型;而 App Shots、原生螢幕操作等能力,意味著把「寫程式」與「測試驗證」的迴圈收斂在同一個 agent 身上正變得可行。
🔗 來源
- 標題:Why Dwarkesh is Wrong about Computer Use + How OpenAI shipped its Jev competitor in 1 Week
- 作者/機構:Latent Space
- 連結:https://www.latent.space/p/devday-2026
#OpenAI #ComputerUse #AgentsAPI #DecisionsAPI #DevDay #AIAgents #LLM #PromptCaching #DeveloperTools #AIInfrastructure
原始資料 Latent Space · 收集於 2026-10-01
摘要原文
Three months ago Dwarkesh, who has been posting incredible blogs and episodes about RL, posted a framing question for his video essay on RLVR which upset a lot of Computer Use folks: We are no strangers to learning in public and are no strangers to the stress of getting things wrong when you have a big platform. However, we were at Anthropic for the Computer Use launch , there for Claude Cowork with the first big podcast on it, organized the first Computer Use track at AIE presenting the state of the art, and were close to the OpenAI-Sky Software acquisition that now powers the complete domination of computer use that Codex enjoys today. This is why we’re excited to bring you today’s first guest, Ari Weinstein , cofounder of Sky and now leading all the amazing CUA progress that casuals might miss: Ari explains why Computer Use is now “180 degrees different” from where it was months ago, how agents are learning to debug and recover from failures, why combining screenshots with accessibility data, the DOM, Playwright, and generated code changes the speed equation, and why the next frontier is making agents literally superhuman at using software. In the second half, Nikunj Handa from OpenAI’s API team breaks down the new developer stack: async tool calling, mid-turn steering, WebSockets, UltraFast inference, the Decisions API, prompt caching, pre-warming, compaction, and the Agents API . Given that we were the first Jev podcast , we particularly focus on the unusually fast sprint on the Decisions API: And why it is just a Luna wrapper for now but the team is motivated and egoless enough to clone what they consider to be good patterns. Why OpenAI thinks Computer Use has changed dramatically in just the last few months Dots and what changes when every agent gets its own Linux computer Why Computer Use can now complete some tasks faster than the average human The path from human-level to “literally superhuman” computer use Why modern agents are much better at debugging and recovering from failure How screenshots, accessibility trees, the DOM, Playwright, and generated JavaScript work together App Shots and why they give models much richer context than ordinary screenshots Why Computer Use can close the loop between writing software and testing it Trust, permissions, and safety when agents can make payments and operate websites Async function calling and why models no longer need to stop reasoning while tools run Mid-turn steering, WebSockets, and the architecture behind more responsive agents UltraFast inference and how OpenAI is pushing frontier models toward much lower latency The rapid internal story behind the Decisions API Why Decisions API is more than structured outputs at low latency GPT Live, fast tool calling, and real-time computer control How OpenAI is already using Decisions API for support classification and internal workflows Longer prompt caching, cache pre-warming , and cache-aware applications Server-side compaction vs manual compaction for long-running agent threads What should live inside an Agents API versus a developer’s own harness OpenAI as an “AI cloud” and the search for higher-level primitives beyond raw model APIs Product & Engineering, Computer Use at OpenAI LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/weinsteinari/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikunjhanda/ 00:00:00 OpenAI DevDay: Dots, GPT-6.1, Agents API, and Decisions API 00:02:52 Dots and Personal Cloud Computers 00:04:59 Why Computer Use Is “180 Degrees Different” 00:06:04 From Sky to Self-Debugging Computer Use Agents 00:09:24 How Computer Use Sees and Operates Software 00:12:09 From Faster Than Humans to Superhuman Computer Use 00:16:03 Agents API: Trust, Permissions, and Safety 00:17:31 Computer Use for Coding, Testing, and QA 00:19:14 GPT-6 APIs, Async Tool Calling, and UltraFast Inference 00:23:21 The Rapid Story Behind Decisions API 00:25:32 What Decisions API Is and How It Works 00:30:24 What OpenAI Is Building With the New APIs 00:32:23 Prompt Caching, Pre-Warming, and API Performance 00:35:20 Context Compaction for Long-Running Agents 00:37:13 Memory, Higher-Level APIs, and the AI Cloud Vibhu [00:00:00]: Okay. We’re very excited to be here. Today is OpenAI DevDay. Special podcast Swyx [00:00:08]: We’re the first podcast after your livestream. Vibhu [00:00:10]: First podcast. We have Ari here, who leads the product and engineering team for Computer Use agents. Before we kick in and dive deep on Computer Use, you wanna give a quick recap? What was announced? What’s the quick slew of announcements you guys had today? Ari Weinstein [00:00:24]: Yeah. yeah, it was a super exciting day. we just got out of the keynote. It was really sick. there were a bunch of Computer Use announcements that I think are worth thinking about. We have, Dots, which is the new, sort of personal assistant product, and, that has some really exciting Computer Use features. There’s GPT-6.1 Sol, which is this amazing new model, that I think is particularly great for Computer Use ‘cause of, sort of the cost and speed, advantages. I think, I think we shared that it’s, a fifth of the cost of Astra and a seventh of the cost if you’re looking at Computer Use specifically, which is really amazing. sorry, there were so many things. I’m trying to sort through it. Ari Weinstein [00:01:03]: Agents API, which now has Computer Use in it, which is really cool, ‘cause now developers can build on the same Computer Use, that is part of Codex, and ChatGPT. and then there were some demos of our existing Computer Use features, like app shots, where you can take the context of something you’re doing on your computer and bring it into Codex and ChatGPT really fast. And then, like, native Computer Use on your Mac, where Roman had it taking screenshots of his app, automatically, and he could do other things on his computer while Computer Use was using his applications. so yeah, really exciting keynote. Swyx [00:01:35]: And not to mention the Decisions API. Ari Weinstein [00:01:37]: Decisions API. Swyx [00:01:38]: Off the bat, are they all the same model? Like, this is. Or the same dataset distilled to different models? Swyx [00:01:44]: Like, basically, like, is Computer Use using Decisions API, or are they, like, kinda separate? Ari Weinstein [00:01:49]: So what’s really cool about the Decisions API is it, you know, it has all these new capabilities. It does inference in parallel. it doesn’t have reasoning. It’s a smaller model, than the ones we use for Computer Use. and so those capabilities make it really fast. Ari Weinstein [00:02:07]: They also make it a little bit less good at doing, like, long horizon, sort of sophisticated tasks. And so I think I would say it’s still an open area of research for how we, like, bring those approaches together. But, yeah, I’m really excited to see what people build with the Decisions API. Vibhu [00:02:24]: One of the interesting things is Dots now have attached personal computers. Ari Weinstein [00:02:28]: Yeah. Vibhu [00:02:28]: So it seems like they’re very much more persistent. You’ve been using them for a while. How should people push the bounds? Like, what should people aim for? What should they try? Personally, right now I use it for a lot of customer service. Like Ari Weinstein [00:02:41]: Cool Vibhu [00:02:41]: “Oh, this was wrong. I don’t wanna sign in. I don’t wanna authenticate.” Find whatever and just get it fixed. Ari Weinstein [00:02:45]: Yeah. Vibhu [00:02:46]: How should we push further? What should people try? Ari Weinstein [00:02:50]: Dots Are a really cool product because each Dot has access to its own Linux virtual computer in the cloud, which is different from our other products. you know, traditionally, we’ve have access to a browser in the cloud, or it has access to your own computer, but now you get your own entire Linux computer in the cloud. And so it can run full desktop applications, and it can also use a web browser.
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